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PostSubject: Euthansia...........................................................   Sat 06 Feb 2010, 5:03 pm

Okay so this week, this word has some meaning to me.

I have read threads on the other side in regards to this. A long time ago.

I wasn't sure exactly how I feel about it. But after spending some time with individuals. I believe this should be part of our medical care service we give our citizens. A dignified way to pass.



This week was an eye opener. More so then anything I have experienced before. I guess I don't get it. I don't get the contrast between animals and humans. We never would allow our pets to suffer the way we see humans suffer towards the end of their lifes.

What kind of existance is that. I faced some tough questions in regards to my own life.. my own thoughts and feelings in regards to what I would like done.

These thought processes provoked some great conversation with my husband, my mother and myself. Things I have never thought about or maybe didn't want to think about. As no one wants to plan their own death. No one wants to think about the end. It is a very depressing subject. But I think more people need to think about that. Because I will never want to be what I have seen this past week.

So with that said.

Why don't we offer Euthansia as a service? I do understand the political complications in regards this. I also understand that this would and could become overused due to other negative factors.

But who are those that suffer... the ones that this service would be a a benefit too..


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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Sat 06 Feb 2010, 6:16 pm

I think because 'religion' doesn't really enter into the picture in regards to animals, it is much easier for those in power and those who would otherwise raise a cry to overlook the act.

For people who really care about the well being and treatment of animals, euthanasia is a given when quality of life becomes a negative. It's called being humane. Unfortunately when it comes to the quality of life of a human, religion and politics (and covering their asses) comes into play. "We don't have the right to play God" Evil or Very Mad Last I heard, God was merciful........so why can that mercy not be extended to those who are supposedly created in his image? Are they supposed to suffer as his son suffered on the cross? Is it that damn Hipocratic (?sp) Oath that is standing in the way? "Do no harm"? Isn't long term suffering considered harmful? cruel? inhuman?

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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Sun 07 Feb 2010, 2:02 am

ah Mini,you don't completely understand the process, if you know what to ask for and if it is a terminal case they do offer it in their own way.

Not something I am really ready to discuss publicly but it is done on a regular basis both in canada and the US

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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Sun 07 Feb 2010, 2:14 am

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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Sun 07 Feb 2010, 7:28 am

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ah Mini,you don't completely understand the process, if you know what to ask for and if it is a terminal case they do offer it in their own way.

Not something I am really ready to discuss publicly but it is done on a regular basis both in canada and the US


Yorkie, if this is the case then I only wish I had been aware of it while watching my mother die. Due to her stipulation of DNR, she was returned to her home when it was determined that there was nothing they could do for her. She was on no medications other than Tylenol (later, liquid form). She literally starved and suffocated to death. We were given no indication that there were other options and she could neither write, nor speak for herself. She made it known to me that she wanted to go and all I could do was tell her "I know".

To be given those days back to allow her to die in dignity and without pain is something I know i will always dream of.
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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Sun 07 Feb 2010, 10:55 am

I have hesitated to reply to this post . I believe Yorkie may know what we went through with my dad as he lay dieing of Cancer . He had a DNR order also .
My Dad got to the place where he was having break through pain on the amount of meds he was allowed to have . His last few days were really hard on him and the People who loved him .
The Nurse in charge of his home care was at his home when he passed away , My dad woke up and started having terrible cramps in his legs and feet he was yelling in pain and all most fell out of the bed it was all we could do to keep him from going to the floor . He had just had a dose of liquid oxycodiene , he was begging for help I was begging for help she wouldn't call 911 because she said they would tube him and that wasn't what my Dad wanted .
I was begging her to do something anything her reply was if we give him another dose it will kill him , she repeated this several times and then handed me the meds .
Within about 3 mins he was on his way .
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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Sun 07 Feb 2010, 12:52 pm

Thank you all for your replies....


I have talked to some doctors and I know sometimes this happens a passing with dignity. I know behind closed doors it may happen in some cases.

I wish that this would be come law. Or more so, that families understand.

I have been working in the dementia unit this week. I can't explain, but my heart cries out in pain for some of these individiduals. It hits home even more.. as this past summer we put my nana into a dementia homein Manitoba. It was so bad this week. I made my husband promise me some things and I promised him some things. I told my mother I would not let her go that way. I would do everything in my power to allow her to pass with dignity. It was a tough first week on my emotions.


It brought alot of questions out. My dad passed over 11 years ago. He was young. I used to have feelings of anger that he passed so quickly. He was dead before he hit the ground. (not a nice way- to say it) But I am so thankful that he died this way. I used to wish that it was a little slower because I regretted not saying goodbye. BUt after hearing your stories and seeing things with my own eyes. I am very thankful it happened this way now.


I am so sorry to hear about your mom rotton and feathers your dad. At least they are in peace now. Yorkie, I know what you went through. You are all great examples of strong women and my hat is off to each and everyone of you.
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PostSubject: Euthanasia   Mon 08 Feb 2010, 2:24 am

Well Grasshopper - you've learned a lot this week - not very pleasant getting old. Individuals in their final days who are suffering severe pain will have a PRN order on their chart for morphine, demerol or codine to be given as required for pain. When a PRN order is given - the drug can be given as frequently as necessary to keep the patient comfortable. These narcotics given on a continous basis for pain will start to shut the individuals organs down within a matter of days, until such time their heart stops and they move into their next life. This is basically a legal way of assisting the individual with passing with some dignity without any recourse against the Doctor. This is basically for individuals in the the hospital or nursing home. For those that are at home - they will have prescriptions for pain killers for which they can take as little or as many as they so chose. The reason there is no euthanasia law or a law governing Doctor assisted suicides is because people are terrified of death - they are scared shitless of their own mortality. What the younger people (those who are scared of death) don't understand is that as you get older and your health begins to fail you as an individual looks forward to moving on into your next life - Even those individuals suffering with a terminal disease look forward to moving on - its the people that will be left behind that keeps forcing life upon them - because they can't or won't let go. This reaction is normal - because we don't want to say good-bye to a loved one - as the good-bye is forever.
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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Mon 08 Feb 2010, 12:53 pm

All I could say to all of this is I hope that it becomes legal..

I would hate to see a loved one suffer to his or her last breath. With most terminal illnesses the drugs end up killing them alot faster then the illness, so I am not sure as to why they can't say yes and legalise giving them that one final dose, why let them suffer...

Just to those who have gotten sick and hospitilised for a few weeks, The feeling sucks, you sit there all day long being drugged and being miserable. Add to that, that you know you are dying any day, and that the pain meds are barely taking off the edge of the pain, I would definitly love to have the option of having a dose to put me asleep permanently, and would love for my loved ones to have the same decision.. If animals don't have to suffer then why should we as humanes have to?

I could see how this can become very complicated when it comes to legal, cause im sure that theres times fine lines will be crossed.. I could see how this can be very hard for our legal system to say yes too, but they should definitly draw out regulations and laws regarding this.
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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Tue 09 Feb 2010, 9:32 pm

feathers wrote:
I have hesitated to reply to this post . I believe Yorkie may know what we went through with my dad as he lay dieing of Cancer . He had a DNR order also .
My Dad got to the place where he was having break through pain on the amount of meds he was allowed to have . His last few days were really hard on him and the People who loved him .
The Nurse in charge of his home care was at his home when he passed away , My dad woke up and started having terrible cramps in his legs and feet he was yelling in pain and all most fell out of the bed it was all we could do to keep him from going to the floor . He had just had a dose of liquid oxycodiene , he was begging for help I was begging for help she wouldn't call 911 because she said they would tube him and that wasn't what my Dad wanted .
I was begging her to do something anything her reply was if we give him another dose it will kill him , she repeated this several times and then handed me the meds .
Within about 3 mins he was on his way .

Feathers, I am SOOOOOOOO sorry !! Your post mad me cry Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Wed 10 Feb 2010, 12:38 am

Izzy wrote:
feathers wrote:
I have hesitated to reply to this post . I believe Yorkie may know what we went through with my dad as he lay dieing of Cancer . He had a DNR order also .
My Dad got to the place where he was having break through pain on the amount of meds he was allowed to have . His last few days were really hard on him and the People who loved him .
The Nurse in charge of his home care was at his home when he passed away , My dad woke up and started having terrible cramps in his legs and feet he was yelling in pain and all most fell out of the bed it was all we could do to keep him from going to the floor . He had just had a dose of liquid oxycodiene , he was begging for help I was begging for help she wouldn't call 911 because she said they would tube him and that wasn't what my Dad wanted .
I was begging her to do something anything her reply was if we give him another dose it will kill him , she repeated this several times and then handed me the meds .
Within about 3 mins he was on his way .

Feathers, I am SOOOOOOOO sorry !! Your post mad me cry Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad


Thank you Izzy I had just went through losing my Dad when I first started posting on any forums he was my best friend and I was really lonely all of you have been a big help and filled a and filled a big hole in my life.
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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Wed 10 Feb 2010, 1:31 am

I got in a tad of trouble with my attitude about this. One of my rugby players from the past and a friend on myself but more so my daughters is pregnant. Her first born was 2.5 months premature and is now an active healthy three year old boy although a bit small for his size. This pregnancy is a nightmare, baby is due in March, ultrasound shows symptoms of downs syndrome, cerebral palsy and also that some internal organs are outside the little body. She has to either go to Vancouver where the specialists are or return here to Alberta and be close to the Stollery Hospital as her health care is from Alberta.

Must be the farmer in me but I made a statement out loud that (not to the parents) that if the poor fetus was a "farm animal" it would be destroyed at birth if it was mine. I am not callous, cruel nor unfeeling and empathise with the situation but what kind of a life will this child have in future if they "save her" and what a burden on her parents future also. This is not and older person who has outlived there body but a new life with a dire future the way I see it. Touchy subject, crappy situation...but am I wrong in my thoughts?
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PostSubject: Euthanasia   Wed 10 Feb 2010, 2:53 am

Your not alone in how you feel Pooper - I feel the same way. We have all these tests that can now determine the health of a baby long before its due date - these tests are done so the parents can make an informed decision - and some parents do make the choice to terminate a severely mentally and physically challenged fetus. As a Cattle producer I've seen some pretty strange calves that are nothing more than freaks when their born - and I euthanize immediately. With the advances in medicine the parents know well in advance of the babies due date what, if any, problems have developed within the fetus, and should, if severe problems exist terminate the pregnancy. I'm sure everyone is familiar with the Robert Latimer case from North Battleford, Sask. - the parents had seen their daughter suffer enough, and as a result, Robert - Tracy's father made the ultimate choice and sacrifice and ended his daughters life - this was probably the most humane thing any parent could have done, as a result he was sent to jail for 10 years. The decision that Robert made to end his daughters life was made out of love and compassion. That poor little girl had no life - during her 10 years of life she had several painful surgeries on her back, a couple of amputations, and were planning a further amputation of Traceys leg at the time of her death. She didn't know how to talk - all she did was scream in pain - this was no life for anyone to endure.
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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Wed 10 Feb 2010, 12:20 pm

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I got in a tad of trouble with my attitude about this. One of my rugby players from the past and a friend on myself but more so my daughters is pregnant. Her first born was 2.5 months premature and is now an active healthy three year old boy although a bit small for his size. This pregnancy is a nightmare, baby is due in March, ultrasound shows symptoms of downs syndrome, cerebral palsy and also that some internal organs are outside the little body. She has to either go to Vancouver where the specialists are or return here to Alberta and be close to the Stollery Hospital as her health care is from Alberta.

Must be the farmer in me but I made a statement out loud that (not to the parents) that if the poor fetus was a "farm animal" it would be destroyed at birth if it was mine. I am not callous, cruel nor unfeeling and empathise with the situation but what kind of a life will this child have in future if they "save her" and what a burden on her parents future also. This is not and older person who has outlived there body but a new life with a dire future the way I see it. Touchy subject, crappy situation...but am I wrong in my thoughts?

I hear you, My brother is mentally challenged, he has Spinal bafida (sp), Muscular dystrophy, and he has an enlarged head from water (hydrpcephalus) that is being drained out by a tube. My mom was 16 when she had him, her water broke but the doctors didnt want her to have him, so put her on meds to keep her from delivering, which caused an infection. My mom saw him go through brain surgeries as a tiny baby, heard him scream in pain, I really cant imagine going thorugh this as a mother.. especially at 16. He has had a stoke and multiple seizures growing up. He is now 40 years old, and even though the doctors are shocked he is doing well, and he is happy. My mom has had him the whole time. She worked with him, and is now able to walk, talk and help himself when he goes to the bathroom.. She is now 56 years old, and I can't stop but to wonder what will happen to him if something where to happen to her. The doctors and her all agree that if he where put in a home he would not make it for very long, as he is very dependent of my mother..

Its sad, and definitly a touchy subject. My brother has had a life, even though a pretty shitty life, but its all he's known. Is he unhappy? nope. hes a pretty happy fells, full of smiles.

Would I put myself in my moms shoes if I had the choise, I have asked myself that question a million times.. I am really not sure..
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PostSubject: Re: Euthansia...........................................................   Wed 10 Feb 2010, 5:33 pm

It takes a lot of strength to do what has to be done,having said that I have always been wise enough to discuss the options with my loved ones and make sure what they want,then it is my responsibllity to not only see to it that their wishes are carried out,but it is then up to me to deal with it within myself which sometimes is nearly impossible on a day to day basis

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